Today marks the release of the remake of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for Switch 2. You can read my full, positive review here. Ahead of the game’s release, but after having played the game to completion (well… 99% as you will learn below), I traveled to New York to speak with Zelda series producer Eiji Aonuma (whose work on the original Ocarina of Time marked his first involvement with the series) and Ocarina of Time remake producer Hidemaro Fujibayashi (director of Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom among other Zelda titles).
Topics include how the team approached remaking Ocarina of Time, what needed changing and what needed to stay the same, their thoughts on the Easter Eggs from the original game, the fate and marital status of the Bombchu Bowling girl, and more.
The discussion covers a fairly faithful remake of Ocarina of Time for Nintendo 64, which launched nearly 30 years ago, but I have spoiler-marked certain questions and answers that might be considered sensitive if you want to maintain surprise when playing the remake yourself.
Mr. Fujibayashi, what is your relationship to Ocarina of Time?
Hidemaro Fujibayashi
Fujibayashi: Regarding the original Ocarina of Time, at the time I was working for a different company, so it was mainly me as an end user trying to looking forward to the experience of what a 3D Zelda is going to look like. So, really, I was just waiting in anticipation for that.
How long has the remake been in development?
Aonuma: It’s actually kind of hard to say exactly when development began because the earliest thought process was us thinking about the 40th anniversary of The Legend of Zelda approaching, and so we started to have this conversation, “Oh, what should we make to mark this occasion?” And then at that point, we decided on Ocarina of Time, and so a lot of time elapsed from the beginning of that conversation about the anniversary until we got to Ocarina. So it’s hard to pinpoint exactly when the development itself began.
Was this a more relaxing game to develop after making Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom back-to-back?
Eiji Aonuma
Aonuma: Was it relaxing? That’s kind of a hard question to ask. I would say it’s more a different style of development. So, if we looked at Tears of the Kingdom, Breath of the Wild, these were created as new games with a very different kind of development cycle. Whereas for a remake like this one, we decided to take an interesting approach, which is to bring in this new younger staff and find out what they would bring to this project in terms of their own experience, their own interpretation as newer staff.
And so my role here was really advising them on this, and it’s not always like the development cycle of a new game. But in one sense, the producer has to be careful not to advise too much, to say that you must do it like this. You don’t want to prescribe the approach that anyone is going to take. You want to make sure that there’s enough space for these younger staff members to have their own interpretation, their own approach to it.
Do you have remake philosophies or rules, like what needs to stay the same and what should change?
Fujibayashi: So, in fact, there were pretty clear kind of rules or guidelines, as you said. First, is because you know, as Mr. Aonuma had mentioned, where he wanted to, the development team was centered around the young directors that took part in this development. And when we first started discussing what kind of game and what kind of approach you wanted to take. One thing that really came through and we clarified was, as you mentioned, what are we going to change and what are we going to keep the same.
And I’ll start with what we wanted to change, and that was really to make sure that – because we have the ability to use the latest technology through the Nintendo Switch 2 – there’s a lot we can change and improve upon, such as you know obviously things like controls, graphics. We also have a new controller, so that allows for the new camera controls. And we’re really able to fine tune and polish the feel of the game and the there was excitement for all the ways of expression we can provide the player.
But on the other hand, thinking about what we didn’t want to change, we were thinking about the creators of the original Ocarina of Time, and what they wanted to convey, the experience that they wanted to provide for users and players through this title. That’s something that we wanted to keep intact and that spirit to carry across. And we wanted to make sure that this new game is able to deliver that in the way that we
Aonuma: So speaking as someone who worked on the original Ocarina of Time for Nintendo 64, you always have those moments looking back of, “Oh, you know, I really wanted to do more of this,” or, “I wanted to be able to express this in a different way,” but you’re faced with certainly the tech limitations of the time. And I went on from Ocarina of Time to work on other Zelda franchise titles, as well. And with each new title, you’re always looking for a new way to express something that may not have been available to you previously. But you always have to keep in mind is what makes a Zelda game special, and how do we protect that? How do we keep that in store for the players, as well. So, on this project in particular, I had to think of that through the lens of how do we protect the things that make it the Zelda Ocarina experience, but also how do I give the freedom to the staff to find their own expression of these ideas? And I think between those two things, we found a really good balance. So I’m very happy about that.
When we interviewed you, Mr. Aonuma, for Game Informer’s Breath of the Wild cover story, Shigeru Miyamoto was present, and he made a joke about the challenge of the water temple. Are you happy with where the Water Temple is now in the remake?
Aonuma: Certainly, looking back on the challenge level of the Water Temple, I think it was hard, but some of that came from the system that we were presenting to players. So, for example, if you look at the way that players used to have to switch to the heavy iron boots so that they could sink in the water, you had to go to a different screen and press the button. But now that we’re able to give players a shortcut, single button on the gameplay screen, I think they can get to that more quickly. It’s a better experience because they can focus on solving the puzzle rather than having to navigate menus and thinking about that and interrupting the flow of their thought each time.
Another consideration compared to the original is that you couldn’t move the camera angle in the original game, and so if you were looking for a certain room in this 3D space relative to where you are now, it was much more difficult to orient yourself and think about the space where that room might exist. So I think those two together, you know, also with the heavy boots being one button press, I think this, for me, is the best version of the Water Temple.
Is the canon of the Zelda timeline considered at all during development? Did you think about adding in Easter eggs that made references to things that would have happened later in the Zelda story? Like Wind Waker taking place after Ocarina of Time, for example.
Aonuma: It’s funny because the staff would sometimes ask me about the possibility of including nods to the timeline or references to the other game, and I actually, at the time, would say, “No, let’s focus on this game. Let’s make this the best version of Ocarina of Time that we can.” So, the timeline was in the back of our mind, but we didn’t consider taking an approach to this game where we actually, explicitly included references like that.
When testing the game, was it challenging to find people who had never played Ocarina of Time?
Aonuma: As it turns out, both on our staff and in the testing teams, there’s a lot of young people, and many of them had never played the original. So it wasn’t a challenge to find them.
Who do you primarily consider this remake to be for? New people who have never played Ocarina? Or fans like myself who consider it to be, frankly, their favorite game. Who is the important audience?
Fujibayashi: The answer is both. Our response to those fans who have fond memories of this title is really what I mentioned earlier: being able to provide the experience of what it was like to play Ocarina of Time back to them, and that was our response to them. And when it comes to the players that are experiencing this for the first time, whether it’s the graphics, or the controls, or the ability to shift and move the camera; those are all changes and fine-tuning that we’ve made to make sure that people who are used to modern gaming are able to enter this experience with as little friction as possible. So again, to answer your question? It’s really both.
Aonuma: Certainly, when you look at the original The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, there is so much hidden in the world that people spend a lot of time looking for things. And your first time playing through, you may not find all of it in one go. People in that kind of situation would refer to strategy books and information that they can find.
For example, when you’re looking for the like last Skulltala and you already have 99, our job is to think about how to give the player an approach to that sort of a problem. What kind of information can we give them to help out. To make it a fun, but still challenging experience, because we want even new players to come in and to be able to fully experience this world that we’ve created for them, even though old fans are going to come in with a little bit of an advantage in the form of a lot of prior game knowledge.
I’m not kidding about needing some help with that final Skulltala. I’m going to hand you my Switch 2 after this so you can show me where it is because it’s been driving me crazy. I’ve been having dreams about where the final Skulltala might be.
Aonuma: [Laughs]
Fujibayashi: [Laughs]
The end of the game in the remake made me emotional in a way I wasn’t expecting. It made me cry, just the whole ending of the experience overall. Were you expecting that kind of reaction from players?
Fujibayashi: So first, I want to say I’m very, very happy and excited to hear you say that because, as you mentioned, that cutscene – cutscenes in general – but that cutscene specifically is something that we, as a dev team, heavily discussed. Because of the limitations of the technology back in the day, there might have been things that we weren’t able to convey fully, whether it’s because of the tempo of the game… whatever it is. And so, when we approached this remake, we wanted to make sure that we captured that moment in the way that we wanted to express it. So that the right kinds of emotions are evoked, and that we can convey the emotion and the story that we wanted to at that moment. And now that hearing you say that and kind of having that reaction really struck a chord? I’m really relieved to hear that because that’s exactly what we wanted to do.
You’re relieved that you made me cry?
Fujibayashi: [Laughs]
The ReDeads, the Shadow Temple, the Dead Hand miniboss, Wall Masters – these enemies traumatized a whole generation of kids. I’m curious if that was always the intention and how did you approach making sure that those elements still remained scary? Was there a line that was too scary?
Aonuma: Certainly, at the time, we had this intent to make sure that we allow the players to find the enemies a little bit scary. They have to be, right? We want to express that sort of thing. But more than anything, they are part of this Fantasy world, which has both light and dark portions, and so we’re trying to bring that feeling across. It’s not that we’re trying to scare people outright as the entire intent, but rather show that you know Link is part of a brighter part of the world where people are friendly, and Ganon is a part of the darker part of the world where there’s a lot of scary things. And we kept that in mind in the remake as well.
We wanted to make sure we were bringing that out, but the tools that we have available to us now for expression are so capable that if we really tried, of course, we could make something that was very, very scary. But this is supposed to be for all kinds of players. We didn’t want to hit the scary notes so strongly that we were putting off new players or younger players, and so we want to have that tuning very carefully in mind as we’re making those adjustments in terms of presenting that final expression in the game.
I shudder to visualize what the scarier versions of the ReDeads might look like.
Aonuma: What was your experience of them this time?
Oh, terrifying! That noise. The noise they make. That scream. I feel it in my chest. It just recalls that scariness of my childhood in a way that I admit is very entertaining, and I like. Do you remember recording that sound effect? How did you do that? Did you have someone scream?
Aonuma: Sorry, I don’t recall [laughs].
For the remake, a lot has been rewritten. The meaning hasn’t been changed dramatically, but pretty much everything has been rewritten. What was the goal with the rewriting overall?
Fujibayashi: Yes, it’s as you said. We did a lot of rewriting of the text. When it comes to the original Ocarina of Time, there’s the idea that because it was 28 years ago – it’s a long time ago – there’s the turn of phrase, or the way it’s been written, is sometimes not clear or doesn’t work in the modern day, given the context of the modern day. And so that’s why we wanted to make sure that it makes sense and it’s easier to understand for people who are familiar with playing modern games, and also that it works better here.
And when you think about… obviously the graphics have been improved significantly. Before we had to do things like… “That blue ocarina that is the size that you could fit on a hand,” something like that, to make sure that the idea gets across to the player. But now, because the graphics are improved, it’s very clear what the size it is. It’s very clear that it’s a blue ocarina. So with the new graphics, if you go through the wordy explanation of what it is, the player is going to be like, “Yeah, I can see it.” So in order to make sure that we remove those kind of slight hurdles and really make sure that we can present the game and improve not only the expression but also the pacing of the game? That’s something that we really took into consideration as we were rewriting the game.
I wanted to ask about some specific changes for the remake. You get five bottles now. Why?
Aonuma: Because bottles are so important to the way the player plays the game, like looking for strategies to deal with different kinds of situations, even at the time of development of the original title, I thought, “Oh, you know, I could do with even just one more bottle.” I think certainly when you collect all four in the original, you feel great about that at time. But I was still thinking like one more would be okay, right?
So, all this time that was in the back of my mind. But when the new younger staff were familiarizing themselves with the old game and thinking about what they might want to change in this version, one thing that I suggested was that the player could get their first bottle earlier, and this would actually be really useful in terms of reinforcing for the player how helpful bottles were and motivating them on their quest to find the next bottle. It strengthens that whole sequence through the game by changing the order just a little bit there. But yeah, certainly, once you have a certain number of bottles, you’re going to feel a little bit more confident and more comfortable. But reinforcing that feeling early on, I think, was important for us in the development of this one.
In the original, there were Nintendo character portraits in Zelda’s courtyard of Mario, Yoshi, and more, but those have been removed. I was curious as to why.
Aonuma: Certainly, at the time, when we put those there, I don’t think anybody thought it was too big a deal. Maybe there was a more carefree or comfortable approach to that sort of thing. But looking at it now, like if a player is coming through that area, and given the overall way that we’re, you know, creating this world and giving the player that form of expression, if they look up and they think, “Why is Yoshi there?” We don’t want that moment to interrupt their experience of the world in that way. So we’re feeling a little bit differently about it this time.
However, you will remember that there is one design element on Talon with Bowser on it, and that’s part of the original design of the character. So we didn’t change that. That stays as is.
I have some short-answer questions. The woman who runs the Bombchu Bowling game. What happened to her after seven years. And is she single?
Aonuma: That’s something we’re not going to touch, and I’ll leave it to your imagination.
One of the Skulltala rewards is Bombchus, which I found disappointing when I was young, and I found disappointing as an adult. Why does he give you Bombchus?
Aonuma: So that feeling you had when you got, as a reward for a certain number of Skulltalas, the Bombchus, and you thought, “Wait, that’s it?” That’s also part of the original experience of the 64 version. So there, there’s an approach that we take where we try to keep all of the different notes that people felt in the original game in place. You know, sometimes it’s really remarkable, fun things, and other times it’s slight moments of disappointment. Even that could be memorable in that way. It’s important to maintain that.
The Great Fairies. What do they need rupees for?
Fujibayashi: You know, it’s really about a feeling. It’s like in Japan sometimes, like donations to a temple or something similar like that. It’s to express your reverence for the great fairies.
The 3DS remake had Skyward Sword art hidden in a couple of places, but you removed it for this remake. You didn’t want to keep the Skyward Sword art?
Aonuma: [Laughs] I do remember at the time the designers on the 3DS version were really interested in placing Easter Eggs like that throughout the game, and the timing of the release of Skyward Sword was such that it was perfect to go ahead and include that. So I said, “Okay, sure.” But like earlier when we were talking about in the courtyard sequence with the Yoshi portrait. You know, you don’t want to interrupt the player’s experience by seeing something that’s unrelated to what they’re currently doing in the game. So for that reason, we decided not to go that way.
Mr. Fujibayashi, you directed Skyward Sword. Were you sad to see that reference removed?
Fujibayashi: [Laughs] No, it’s really as Mr. Aonuma said. There was an underlying concept in what we were going for, so no hard feelings there.
I think the biggest cutscene change in the game is when Link transitions from child to adult. It is now a much more involved sequence. Why did that scene need such a drastic change?
Aonuma: So I think that’s really connected to the way we were thinking about expressing things in the original. We couldn’t do everything. We couldn’t express everything that we’d like to, and I think in that moment where you have Ganondorf having this reaction to Link becoming older, that cutscene in the original, it was very low on explanation.
So, you have these thoughts in the player’s mind like, “Oh wait, why is he there? What’s the relation to this process?” So, you want something that explains his presence, that explains his reaction to make a bigger impression on the player overall, and that’s something that you can use to connect the motivation to want to face Ganondorf in the final fight. Something that I think comes across better now.
[I pulled out my Switch 2 and showed them how I was missing one Skulltala in Hyrule Field]
Aonuma: [Laughs]
Fujibayashi: [Laughs]
You can see here I have 99 out of 100 and am missing two out of three in Hyrule Field. Can you point to a general location to give me an idea of where to look?
For Game Informer‘s review of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (2026) follow the link.
